Thanks guys for acknowledging even if you weren't able to help I disclosed going with own gut feelings of when it was right ...the response was " I respect you so much for telling me... but what gas this got to do with anything ? It won't change how I feel about you.." Few days later we reuinted...it was such a special experience... thanks for help and I hope somebody reading this is able to get hope that this really isn't a sticking point for alot of people!!