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Ehh,I don't care but yea I will..I don't really have anything to hide but,I did wanna show you so ya could judge for yourself..Thanks for your help !

Just for comparison sake,first pic was later in the day,2nd pic was in the morning..It gets more noticeable later in the day,weird but true..

Sorry haven't shaved in awhile,haha..

Well,it looks like I have lip liner on and yes it bothers me..I swear I won't even look at people when I'm talking now..I just know they see it..

Right on,yea I had a positive ANA test right after I was diagnosed with H..I went to a rheumatologist in dallas that is like the best in the country,he took 12 tubes of blood..The results freaked me out,I had 2 pages of "possible" stuff,all borderline elevated levels..They found osteoarthritis,a bone density test showed bone loss,also possible sarcoidosis, sacrealitis (spell?),also a high lipid content in my blood..I can't remember everything he found but he wanted me to be on plaquenil which comes with regular eye doc visits cause it can make ya go blind,well I never took it and I never went back to him,he wanted to see me back in a year..It's been 11 yrs since and I havent really had any issues other than a life changing accident racing dirtbikes,I had a bad spill and broke both ankles and knee..That was in 2012 and after 1 yr in wheelchair and 7 surgeries I'm walking...The line on my top lip was barely visible in just a short section in the middle of my lip until all this trauma and surgeries,now it's very pronounced and goes all the way across and is very visible..OK ,there is my life story,haha..Thanks for your help!!

I think I was infected back in 04 when I slept with a girl unprotected on a 1 night stand..I had her friend calling me saying she has herpes,so about a week went by and I started feeling like I has the flu,I had just opened a bag of chips and noticed the lining of my mouth was peeling,then my mouth burned for about a week till I could get to the doc,he said it was to early to tell so he prescribed famvir for me and I could feel it making me better (if that makes sense)..One other thing is I read about what happens when infected and it said their would be a red dot by the opening of your pens and would be red,well mine was,maybe coincidence but idk..Well I really have only had cold sore twice,one time they were 3 on top lip,one right after the other but not at the same time..All along the red ring I have on edge of lip.They actually just were pimple looking bumps with a white head..I was put on Accutane for acne and rosacea for 5 months after that,dermatologist said she thinks it was acne but didn't test.the other time was recent,I have a spot on bottom lip that looked like one but never came up,now it's just a red spot that burns sometines..I've NEVER had any blisters in the genital area..My ex wife had cold sores when we met but she was so hot I didn't care,oh and I was young and didn't know any better..I've always got sores in my mouth since I was a kid,my sister gets them also..I also get these tiny red bumps that come up on my youngest that hurt but go away eventually..I've only been with 8 girls my whole life but some were questionable,lol..Right now the red ring around my mouth is driving me nuts,I've been to several docs and dermatologist and they all say they don't "think" it's herpes..I just want the ring gone,it's embarrassing as hell and annoying..Like today,my lips have been so dry all day,they burn too like they are chapped.I've tried EVERYTHING from creams to aquaphor to steroid cream to herpes med creams,nothing helps at all..I've taking valtrex and it makes the burning go away but the red ring remains..I also can't take the valtrex and viral meds consistently because I have bad migraines and they trigger them..I also was diagnosed in 05 with a auto immune disorder..I never went back to doc for that..It just frustrates me not knowing what to do or who to see next for the red ring around my mouth!!frustrating as hell..

Cool thanks,I've heard the western blot test is like 250$,wonder if insurance covers it?

Ok,I called the doc and got the exact igg numbers,hsv 2 was 1.46,,,hsv 1 was 9.86...Judging by those numbers what do yall think?

I'm gonna check with the Westover people and see my options..thanks very much,it's just not one doctor I've been to seems interested in helping,at all!

Yes I have been to 3 different derms and everyone of them blow me off,but know one test an6thing!!Drives me nuts!!I actually had a chance to get with a really nice girl recently but I did what I always do and just blew her off..She didn't give up though so I eventually just told her I have something and that's why I've been blowing her off,I never told her it was h.Only symptoms I have is the mouth thing..

What baffles me is,ya go to the doctor and the immidiate reaction is one of low urgency to the doctor,They just write ya a prescription and that's the end of it..Are there any doctors that specialize in helping someone with H?I mean I'd love to know EXACTLY why my lips have a red ring around it ,and exactly what is causing it so I can address it..Frustrates me to no end.Sure I take the acyclovir and it feels better but the ring is still there!!Its ruining any kind of normal life for me..

Being that I've tested positive twice since the possible exposure is what leads to me thinking I do have both..First test was 3yrs after exposure and second test was recent with both docs saying my reading was at 9..The only indicator I have it in my mouth is the red ring around mouth..Everybody says that's not consistent with herpes..It burns constantly and only one time I broke out with sores along this red line,they looked like pimples until I popped them,then they just looked like sores,never any clear blister like fluid at all..I also felt really bad when they broke out..That was last year..Now I had a spot come up on bottom lip that looked like a pimple but it was really sensitive and felt like a paper cut or splinters..Started valtrex and within 2 days it went away,but still looks like a pimple. .All along the top lip where it is red has these pores that look like potential pimples (if that makes sense)..Also I've had a sore throat for a long time,when I started the valtrex I could feel it,like it was attacking whatever is in my throat,I also had a pretty good headache..A few days have passed and I feel better than I have in awhile,like the valtrex is making me feel better..Sorry so long but I'm just trying to figure this out as the doctors and dermatoligist I've seen have not been helpful at all!!I know my body and something is definately not right..I'm worried constantly and then that leads to depression...If I could just know exactly what I'm dealing g with,I could deal with it!!Thanks for yalls help!

Thanks for the response!On the test I do not have the results as she called to give them to me.She and the previous doc (8 yrs earlier) both said the same thing ,my antibodies were at a level of 9,not .9...They both said that was unusually high..The main reason I think it's correct is when I was exposed,the series of events point to being infected..I've read that there will usually be an inflamed area and red spots at the point of introduction,I had all of this..I was informed by other people that the girl I slept with had just contacted it and she knew she had it but was giving it to every guy possible..Idk,it's all been a nightmare but being that it's been so many years now,I am dealing with it alot better,this sight helps! I am going to do exactly what ya say,I want to know for sure ,exactly what I have!!Not knowing keeps me in a bad place..I haven't had sex with anyone for 5yrs!

I'll try to keep it short..I tested positive in 08..The doc said I was exposed to hsv 1 and 2 and that my levels were at 9??She pretty much embarrassed me by saying, "oh yea your numbers are through the roof!",you're having an infection right now!"..So I pretty much put my head down in shame and left..Well,in those 7 yrs I have only had a few break outs,mainly just mouth sores which Ive had all my life..In 2012 I severely injured myself racing mx and have had 7 surgeries so far..I had my worst outbreak last year while I was having bad rocacea,doc put me on acutane..She said(dermatoligist) the sores around my mouth were not herpes,said I had oil glands in lips and it was from that.I was on Accutane for 5 months and it all cleared up..My lips constantly burn and I have a red ring around my top lip ( vermllion border)that has gradually showed up in the last 4 yrs.. I've tried everything to get rid of the red line,it's embarrassing as hell ..Well I recently went back to a doc and they ran the hsv test again,and same thing my levels were at a 9,unusually high they said..Well long story short is,what is this ring around my lip?Every doc says it's not herpes..It's driving me nuts,I have never had anything in the genital area except when I was exposed..Any advice? It's bad enough I know I have hsv1 &2 but the red ring keeps me from looking people in the eye,I just look off or away never making eye contact..I may not have outbreaks with blisters but it's an everyday thing with my lips burning and being red (ring)..How do I know if I have hsv2 orally??One more thing,when I was infected my mouth was the first indicater,about 8 days after exposure the skin on inside of cheeks and lips started sluffing off!That's how I knew I was infected,went to doc and he prescribed famvir,it cleared it very quick,but that was 10 yrs ago when i was infecyed....I haven't found anyone that had symptoms like me,makes me wonder if I have some exotic strain,lol..Idk,it's driving me nuts though..Valtrex,acyclovir cream,abreva,all do nothing to help my lips..No matter what they burn and red ring never fades..I need help!!